tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post3702113163577142509..comments2023-06-28T11:56:24.073-04:00Comments on The Lamb's War: Discerning the Way Forward - Micah's Ministry Newsletter #47Micah Baleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06849915973708989620noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-64304086859311753032012-11-26T23:15:21.688-05:002012-11-26T23:15:21.688-05:00Dear Micah,
I am a little late responding to yo...Dear Micah,<br /> I am a little late responding to your blog, but feel I should say something. As you know, there is no right or wrong answer. I know of cases where Friends have been called to keep Meeting with only 1 or 2 attenders and have eventually revived and proved a faithful witness. I also know of cases where Friends have held on to a Meeting long after it should have been laid down. I can only urge you to listen as carefully as you can to what Christ is telling you, whether inwardly or through the counsel of wise, thoughtful, and discerning friends. I am too far away to have any other counsel than this. I do admire what you are doing there.<br />Yours faithfully,<br />JoeJoe Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12842406152833328950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-1613416624169250742012-11-01T11:14:13.529-04:002012-11-01T11:14:13.529-04:00Harking back to "Burn the Meetinghouse Down&q...Harking back to "Burn the Meetinghouse Down": <br />I have reviewed budgets for several Quaker meetings in the DC area that meet in meetinghouses. The proportion of their budgets that goes for maintaining the facilities is, to me, impressively modest. Of course, that proportion could be zero with a house church. See paste below from a blog of a pastor about a house church that uses 100% of the offerings for the poor in its community (Orange County CA) -- and that has Jesus as "the answer." <br /><br />HOUSE CHURCH IS NOT THE ANSWER<br />You probably already know that I walked away from pastoral ministry at a traditional church about six years ago to start a church that meets in homes around Orange County, California where 100 percent of the offerings go to support the poor in our community. You probably also know that I’ve written a book called “This Is My Body:Ekklessia as God Intended” a few years ago about how God’s design for His Church has always been about people as living stones where everyone is a priest of God offering themselves as daily, living sacrifices. <br /><br />So, it might be a shock to you that I would say, “House Church is not the answer”. But, I’m saying it. It’s not the answer.<br /><br />Jesus is the answer. The Gospel of the Kingdom is the answer. Surrender to Christ alone as a daily follower of Jesus is what counts, not where you meet on Sunday mornnings. <br /><br />Does it matter how you gather? Yes, I’d say it does matter. Especially if you have any real hope of stepping into the awesome reality of having Christ as your functional leader and head in the Church.<br /><br />Does it matter if you submit to a pastoral authority? Yes, I’d say that you shouldn’t do that. Especially if you have any real desire to become a member of the priesthood of all believers and fulfill your calling within the Body of Christ.<br /><br />Does it matter if everyone in the Church has an equal opportunity to speak, and teach, and share, and use the spiritual gifts God has given them? Absolutely! Without this the Church is not a Body at all, according to Paul the Apostle. What makes us a “Body” is when Christ alone is our actual head and when everyone else is working together to share their spiritual gifts for the building up their brothers and sisters in Christ.<br /><br />But gathering in a home won’t cut it. Meeting in a circle and singing songs won’t accomplish anything. Having a great meeting about Jesus is not the same thing as having an actual meeting with Jesus.<br /><br />House church is not the answer. Jesus is. And learning to gather beneath the shadow of His wings, and learning to hear His voice together, and actually encountering the Risen One in the fellowship of other submitted and surrendered believers is what every follower of Christ is made for.<br /><br />Whatever you do, please don’t settle for house church. Gather together with Jesus as your only focus, and accept no substitutes.<br />James Breilinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01127399925944849943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-61554288257918397592012-10-20T12:30:08.392-04:002012-10-20T12:30:08.392-04:00Re: Capitol Hill Friends,
Just because you have ...Re: Capitol Hill Friends,<br /><br />Just because you have encountered obsticles doesn't mean it should be laid down. If Jesus had given up because of obsticles His ministry wouldn't have lasted much beyond the wedding of Cana.<br /><br />Instead of giving up maybe you need to look at what you can/should do differently. I know that if I was moving to DC and looking for a worship community I wouldn't even give CHF a passing glance. <br /><br />Looking at your website the first thing I notice right off that would turn me off is the time that you meet. For many, Sunday afternoon is a time when they get together with their families, relax, and get ready for the upcoming week. Putting your meeting time when you did effectively says, "Choose us over your family." To which I would respond, "Don't hold your breath."<br /><br />The other thing that turns me off is the length of the meeting time. Two hours is a long time to demand of people every single week. It would be onerous to people with children of any age. Teenagers wouldn't behave for that long never mind a toddler. Probably the most successful spiritual communities out there are the recovery communities, and they never officially meet for one hour. If people can and want to hang out together after meeting that's great. It's even strongly encouraged. But, it is never required.<br /><br />You do a lot of hang wringing in this blog about why we're not attracting young adults. Well, young adults often have children, or they are planning on having children. Your meeting time and length says loud and clear, "People with families are not welcome here."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16458061652925304123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-51501471260903471202012-10-19T13:18:27.264-04:002012-10-19T13:18:27.264-04:00I second Matt: "Simply let your lives speak,...I second Matt: "Simply let your lives speak, the rest will be taken care of." I extend this suggestion: The persons that have had the most spiritual/living in the spirit influence on me have not been pastors/ministers or weighty Friends, but persons whose Light radiated through their work and everyday interactions. <br /><br />RE: Capital Hill Friends. A paraphrase, If Capital Hills Friends is not known, does it exist? I recall reading that Jerry Falwell acquired the initial congregation for his Liberty Baptist mega-church in Lynchburg VA by going door to door, introducing himself and inviting those who were not church members to his fledging church. Such outreach also offers an opportunity to learn what folks want in a religious/spiritual entity. Perhaps you've already done some of this. If so, what can you report from the engagements? <br /><br />A recent story reported a study that found a continuing (and, to me, unsurprising) decline in the membership in the mainline Protestant dominations. <br />As I read the story, and from my personal perspective and interactions with others, these churches (to quote a colleague) are excluding many. <br />This has little to do with whether the worship is still traditional rather than contemporary. For my scientist colleagues, they feel that were excluded from the churches of the childhood and youth especially by the dogmatic assertion (especially by evangelical churches) in the truth of the prescientific descriptions in the Bible about the creation and nature of the universe and of life on earth and about the Garden of Eden. We now have solid scientific understandings of the creation, size and organization of the universe (from astronomical science), of the laws of matter (from the science of physics) and of the evolution of life (from biology). And the bodies of evidence from these sciences continue to both replicate the essence of the main findings and to extend them. For example, a recent paper reports sophisticated radiological and DNA analyses of bone fragments from widely dispersed locations that identified these bone fragments as from homo sapiens of 11,000-13,000 years ago. <br />THe implications of these sciences for the creation and Garden of Eden stories are clear and compelling.<br />A church that does not recognize and adjust its theology to the findings of science largely precludes the scientifically literature from membership. <br /><br />Then there is hate and callousness. At the top of the list for unwarranted hate and exclusion are gays, lesbians and transsexuals. Arguably at the top of the list for callousness (and exclusion from the mainline Protestant churches) is the poor (with a frequent interlacing with racism). Their needs are minimized. They are blamed for their situation: residing in miserable housing in woeful and difficult communities whose schools are at best struggling, being short of adequate and nutritious food, having at best problematic access to quality care for illness prevention and treatment, being challenged to find work, especially that which will support a family, and who are served poorly by government -- from protection by the police to public transit. <br /><br />Yes, the church must put the first commandment that Jesus identified -- loving God with body, mind and spirit -- first, but close to, indeed, intertwined with the first commandment must be going beyond comforting the members of the Church to walking the talk of the second great commandment: the Golden Rule, which is nicely complemented by the when you feed the hungry, comfort the suffering, etc., yea do this for me (Him). <br /> James Breilinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01127399925944849943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-56218669962436898572012-10-18T16:15:36.255-04:002012-10-18T16:15:36.255-04:00Hey Micah,
Reading your blog today brought to mind...Hey Micah,<br />Reading your blog today brought to mind something from a book that has had a huge impact on my spiritual walk: Hind's Feet on High Places. There is a song that the water sings as it pours itself out from the heights of the mountains that goes like this:<br />Come, oh come, let us away—lower, lower every day<br />Oh, what joy it is to race, to find the lowest place<br />This the dearest law we know—“It is happy to go low.”<br />Sweetest urge and sweetest will, “Let’s go down lower still.”<br /><br />Hear the summons night and day, calling us to come away.<br />From the heights we leap and flow, to the valleys down below.<br />Always answering to the call, to the lowest place of all.<br />Sweetest urge and sweetest pain, to go low and rise again.<br /><br />We've talked about your hopes that this meeting would take off and grow abundantly. Maybe the Spirit is directing you to do something else instead. I love what you said about evaluating how God is calling Capitol Hill Friends to serve, who you are called to minister to with what God has given you. This is a great query. Maybe your community, small as it is, is being called to pour itself out in love for others. Maybe it is not to build up itself and its members, but to be poured out.<br /><br />I don't know what this will look like. But if this is what God is calling you to do and you are obedient, it will be beautiful.<br /><br />CharityCharityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413810589739085804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-59820878779281431802012-10-18T15:50:41.972-04:002012-10-18T15:50:41.972-04:00Hello Micah,
We have never met or communicated by...Hello Micah, <br />We have never met or communicated by email but I do read your blog often.<br /><br />I consider Capital Hill Friends a big inspiration from what I've seen of you guys online. Something I may seek to replicate one day not too far off.<br /><br />I have long sought a Christian community that you seem to be building - one that is contemplative, celebratory, friendly (small 'f') and radical in terms of how you choose to live. <br /><br />Having spent many years in the Unitarian tradition, a once radical fellowship, I have grown disillusioned and found myself with the Quakers.<br /><br />However, I guess my worry is the unprogrammed Quakers have also gone the same way as the Unitarian - diluted to the point of becoming some sort of middle-class spiritual / philsophical hand-wringing club. That's perhaps putting it a bit bluntly, and no offence to individuals is intended.<br /><br />I guess what I'm saying is you are having an impact across the world with your radical public witness and ministry. The idea that a bunch of Christians can get together to try and work things out, to try and live out a stripped-down, everyone included, committed Christianity.<br /><br />And I think hope and resolve can be drawn from Matthew 18:20 - you could have a church of 5000 but not necessarily be Spirit-infused where just 2 or 3 might well be. Speaking as a distant outsider, I think you guys are.<br /><br />Simply let your lives speak, the rest will be taken care of.<br /><br />MattMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663798316168079940noreply@blogger.com