tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post7272212537839378166..comments2023-06-28T11:56:24.073-04:00Comments on The Lamb's War: Missional Quaker Faith - Visionary LeadershipMicah Baleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06849915973708989620noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-24167253585287047402010-11-10T09:08:29.863-05:002010-11-10T09:08:29.863-05:00@Matthew Thanks for commenting, Matt. No, I haven&...@Matthew Thanks for commenting, Matt. No, I haven't heard of The Leadership Jump, though I've just added it to my Amazon wish-list.<br /><br />Leadership among Friends is a big focus at <a href="http://esr.earlham.edu/" rel="nofollow">Earlham School of Religion</a>, where I work, and I think that we probably have some things to learn from other Christians (and non-Christians, no doubt!).<br /><br />@TheYellowDart Glad you enjoyed this installment! I agree that it is easy for us to get lured into a maintanance mode; but I believe that, if we are not growing (spiritually or numerically), we are dying.<br /><br />@Raye I'm glad that thee found this post useful in discerning thy own call and gifts. I agree that it is hard to not attach one's own sense of self-worth to the gifts that God bestows. It is important to remember that spiritual gifts are not who we are, but instead are the ways that God works through us at particular times in our lives. The spiritual gifts present in each person can (and do) change over time, and we do God and neighbor a disservice if we cling to our previous calling when Christ is asking something new of us.<br /><br />@Ben I'm sorry, Ben, but I don't know quite what you're getting at. It seems that you're saying that you don't believe pastoral Friends are real Quakers. I disagree with you, and I don't quite understand what that has to do with this post.Micah Baleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06849915973708989620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-5596550204228217112010-11-07T00:55:43.988-04:002010-11-07T00:55:43.988-04:00Sorry friend,
You should have started you post wi...Sorry friend,<br /><br />You should have started you post with the header," A radical subset of quaker schismatics embraced the idea of hirling ministers". Things degenerated till this group of "quakers", started thinking they were all of it.bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-89062755346076740582010-11-05T21:16:31.257-04:002010-11-05T21:16:31.257-04:00Micah, as thee described each role, I did some ch...Micah, as thee described each role, I did some checking in with myself, noting in which direction I have been called. That was useful.<br /><br />It seems to me that constant recognition that the gifts are for the purposes of the Lord is vital. Remembering Who gives them and for Whose purpose will help avoid lost opportunities stemming from false humility and a worry about "giving someone the big head," as my grandmother would call inflated ego.<br /><br />Another pitfall I encountered was my own lack of willingness to acknowledge that I had a part to play in building the Kingdom. It was similar to Peter Pan, wanting never to grow up.<br /><br />I pray that these posts are read widely and carefully considered before the Lord. May what He desires come through.Rayenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-87348112248892523332010-11-05T12:49:17.320-04:002010-11-05T12:49:17.320-04:00Excellent survey of Quaker ministry offices. I lea...Excellent survey of Quaker ministry offices. I learned quite a lot from this presentation. Thanks Micah :)<br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly that the propagation function is largely missing from the church in America. The tending and maintaining types have marginalized those with the other gifts. The creative entrepreneurs are hard to come by generally for our culture anymore.Jason Lairdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04104740908547185915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37106751.post-69743613355766598222010-11-05T12:10:38.927-04:002010-11-05T12:10:38.927-04:00Excellent thoughts, Micah - thanks for posting. Ar...Excellent thoughts, Micah - thanks for posting. Are you familiar with the book The Leadership Jump? The author has some interesting things to say about how we understand leadership, a lot of which seems to mesh well with Quaker approaches. Here's the Amazon link if you're interested: http://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Jump-Building-Partnerships-Christian/dp/0830833641.Matthew Hisrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117097256145479052noreply@blogger.com